interviews INVITATIONS

RCbbc sends out our latest Invite, to anyone who’s willing to add their responses to following optional questions:

  • who is interviewed: victims/partners/parents/children?
  • what has been the biggest (hidden) CSA side effects?
  • where have you been comfortable/uncomfortable talking about it?
  • why have you now been able to talk about it?
  • when has the longterm effects of the CSA started sinking in?
  • how have you been able to move on, with these impacts?

it’s up to the guest, how they are referred to (named, nickname, anonymous, ‘character’, etc). recordings can also be changed, when you request anonymity. just as how detailed their answers to these questions are. it’s not about blaming, rather creating another area where we’ll have a chance to share more of what results staying silent has had on other CSA victims/partners/parents/children. thanks in advance, to anyone who’s able to talk about these personal issues!

andrew messenger, the guardian https://royalcommbbc.blog/2024/03/20/csa-publishing/

andrew messenger, the guardian

hopes are that more of your details are making there way to andrew messenger’s journalistic resources of the guardian. in combination with these, increased amounts of podcasts are being planned alongside recent changes to ndis support workers. stay tuned!

Child abuse royal commission: Former Brisbane Grammar School counsellor hypnotised, sexually abused boys during sessions, inquiry hears

By Leonie Mellor and Louisa Rebgetz

Posted Tue 3 Nov 2015 at 10:23amTuesday 3 Nov 2015 at 10:23am, updated Tue 3 Nov 2015 at 5:45pmTuesday 3 Nov 2015 at 5:45pm

Brisbane Grammar School
The latest public hearings in Brisbane will look at the experiences of former students at Brisbane Grammar School.(Supplied: Brisbane Grammar School)

A former school counsellor often hypnotised then sexually abused boys during counselling sessions at Brisbane Grammar School, the royal commission into child sexual abuse has heard.

Two prestigious private schools in south-east Queensland, the Brisbane Grammar School (BGS) at Spring Hill and St Paul’s School at Bald Hills, are the focus of public hearings of the Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse in Brisbane.

The nine-day hearing is focusing on the actions of former school counsellor Kevin John Lynch at Brisbane Grammar School from the 1970s to 1990s, as well as the abuse by a teacher at St Paul’s, Gregory Knight.

Inquiry to look into:

  • The experience of former students of BGS in Spring Hill
  • The experience of former students at St Paul’s in Bald Hills
  • The response of the Board of Trustees, Headmasters and other BGS staff to complaints about the behaviour of ex-counsellor Kevin Lynch
  • The responses of the Anglican Diocese of Brisbane Diocese, the school council, headmasters and other St Paul’s School staff to concerns or complaints about the behaviour of Mr Lynch and Gregory Knight
  • The past and current systems, practices, policies and procedures in place at BGS and St Paul’s in relation to raising and responding to concerns and complaints about child sexual abuse
  • The circumstances relating to Mr Knight’s employment and registration as a teacher in Queensland
  • Any related matters

An ex-student at Brisbane Grammar School – called BQK – said he was systematically hypnotised and then physically and sexually abused by Lynch, who said it would improve his behaviour and performance.

Counsel assisting the inquiry David Lloyd told the commission Lynch often hypnotised and sexually abused boys during the sessions at both schools.

BQK said his meetings with Lynch would last an hour.

“While I was under hypnosis Lynch would do sick things,” BQK told the commission.

“Lynch convinced me that his treatment method would make me academically and athletically superior and give me an advantage over my peers by harnessing the power of orgasms.”

BQK told the commission that BGS staff were not doing their job if they did not know what was going on.

“How can you justify having soundproof, firerated, dead-bolted doors on the front and back when the rest of the school has timber treated windows on every door,” he said.

“I was badly let down by this culture of turning a blind eye and protecting the brand and it is hard not to see it as a deliberate cover-up.”

Last month, the BGS reiterated its apology to former students who were sexually abused by Lynch.

He killed himself in 1997 after being charged with abusing a student at St Paul’s, having moved there after Grammar.

NT school responded ‘swiftly’ to serious allegations

Knight had previously worked at Darwin’s Dripstone High School.

Counsel assisting the inquiry said serious allegations of child abuse were made against Knight in 1993 and that the response from the school and the NT Department of Education was “swift”.

“There was a meeting attended by the school principal, Knight and a senior member of the NT Education Department,” Mr Lloyd said.

“Knight was confronted with the allegations of sexual abuse and he accepted the truth of those allegations.”

His offer to resign was refused, with the school sacking him on the spot.

The hearing heard that Dripstone “arranged counselling for the children” and the department “made sure police were notified”.

In 1994, Knight was convicted and sentenced to eight years imprisonment with a three-year non-parole period.

Music teacher abused a ‘significant number of kids’

The commission also heard how a former government minister failed to dismiss music teacher Knight, who went on to abuse a significant number of children when he worked at St Paul’s in Brisbane in the 1980s.

Mr Lloyd said in 1978, an inquiry found Knight guilty of disgraceful conduct and recommended he be dismissed from teaching.

The then-South Australia education minister, Dr Donald Hopgood, instead accepted Knight’s resignation and gave him a positive reference.

Dr Hopgood has also been called as a witness.

He said the commission will examine what senior staff of Brisbane Grammar and St Paul’s knew about the sexual abuse by Lynch.

The inquiry is expected to hear evidence of students’ experiences at both schools and will investigate the schools’ responses after complaints were made.

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RETRIEVED https://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-11-03/royal-commission-into-institutional-child-sexual-abuse-hearing/6907532

References of #3 Podcast

With hopes of Sharing the latest Podcast (#3) & building interest in these spoken forms of media, here’s a glimpse of the related release info. Transcript should also be posted, later on. Related glitches have been worked on, which should soon lead to the entire Podcast #3 being Shared …


Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse

Updated Podcasts | Buzzsprout

As well as still getting our RCbbc Podcasts sorted, we’ve just been alerted to the following list of Podcast channels/publishers:

First Podcast uncovered!

Adding to RCbbc’s rush of Podcast’s, srestarting today – heres’s a basic form of our 1st release with Cameron Russell. Audio may be patchy, yet it adds to what we hope for with Andrew Messenger’s The Guardian writings…

https://www.buzzsprout.com/1786955/14837786?t=54

Cameron Russell

RoyalCommBBC Podcast | Journalist Meeting 1

Here’s our first Journalist Interview – podcast. As this should be a return to the amount of podcasts – victims/survivours, family, witnesses & uneffected ‘Old Boys’ will be welcome to add their Voices. Ironically (?), these audio projects are my first form of both being personally involved + using some of my ‘2voices’ equipment. Reusing Andrew Messenger’s phrase, “there’s (much) more, to be written about”.

  • Apple Podcast
  • Spotify
  • Amazon Music
  • Podcast Index
  • Overcast
  • Castro
  • … (+ others)

At the lower right hand side of the Buzzsprout screen, there are some regular ways you can also “Share Episode”: Facebook, x-twitter, linkedin & eMail.


RETRIEVED https://www.buzzsprout.com/1786955/episodes/14837014

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Emotional Abuse 📚

Beginning to tap into the growing area of Child Abuse: Emotional Abuse will be first of the list of (hidden) moments which more of our children are being exposed to. Although it it is a part of the much wider ecosystem that is concerning aging & recent surviving-victims of child sexual abuse (in their younger years), the lifelong results are only beginning to be realised. Following are links to some articles, discussing things from supporting children and young people, defining ECA, why kids need to escape family violence & to cutting off contact:


While some of these readings may cause tensions, it’s best to stop reading – get your mind onto something relaxing – coming back to the remaining (when you can). We’ll try to work on providing Spoken-text versions of our Article’s, as concentration + PTSD + CSA may be connected.

Australia’s National Redress Scheme | RSS Redress Support Services continues to offer Counselling, amongst its services. While some Surviving-Victims may have received other amounts from NRS, including Redress + Apologies – Counselling is a worthwhile external service for CSA victims, their family-friends & other community members. I’m finally bringing a Support Worker into these NRS Sessions, which is dealing with many (hidden) secrets! RSS offer face-to-face, online and telephone support.


Still wondering why our emotions was chosen as the 1st topic? Our emotions reveal so much of our true nature, which power and control try to manipulate. If nothing can be seen as wrong, nothing can be proven – right? Through focus on parts of our emotions, there is still a huge focus on ‘unpacking the box of mysteries’. As such, this post can be our beginning of each of our related matters. These emotional abuse posts go on further …


–      How Emotional Abuse in Childhood the Brain

–      Vigilance Part 2 – Emotional Abuse

–      Emotional Support and Adult Depression in Survivors of Childhood Sexual Abuse

–      Emotional Child Abuse Defined

–      12 Long- And Short-Term Effects Of Child Abuse

–      How Childhood Emotional Neglect Can Show Up in Our Adult Life

–      Taking care of yourself (or a loved one) when sexual abuse makes the headlines

–      Sexual abuse survivor wants former boys’ school principal stripped of Order of Australia award

–      Elite Sydney teacher Cody Reynolds jailed for child abuse cache


–      What is child abuse and neglect?

–      Violating children’s rights: The psychological impact of sexual abuse in childhood

–      Stop Telling Child Abuse Survivors to Forgive their Abusers

–      Are You Overlooking or Rationalizing Abuse? That’s Denial!

–      Learning the facts is the first step to preventing child sexual abuse.

–      Healing the Shame of Childhood Abuse Through Self-Compassion

–      7 Ways Family Members Re-victimize Sexual Abuse Survivors

–      11 Common Symptoms Experienced by Victims of Childhood Sexual Abuse

–      Being a Survivor of Child Abuse
Inside the mind of a victim

–      Creativity’s CSA Impact | performing arts + child sexual abuse


– Why Adult Victims of Childhood Sexual Abuse Don’t Disclose

–      â€˜We have to speak out … and be heard’: Life after sexual abuse

–      3 – Types of Child Abuse

–      The Lingering Trauma of Child Abuse

–      The Undeniable Connection between DID and Child Abuse

–      Child abuse

–      â€˜Jesus is coming to get you’: Brother’s threat to boy he abused

–      16 ‘Hidden’ Habits of People Who Experienced Child Abuse | The Mighty

–      Child abuse is 40 times more likely when single parents find new partners

–      Childhood abuse never ended for thousands of Australian adults


–      Terminology, Key Messages & What is Child Abuse & Neglect?

–      Long-term Effects of Child Sexual Abuse (5-8)

–      Familiar? Child sex abuse victim finally speaks out after decades of shame

–      Facts about Child Sex Abuse (maltreatment)

–      Should the scapegoat child trust the golden child? 

–      7 Gaslighting Phrases Malignant Narcissists, Sociopaths and Psychopaths Use To Silence You, Translated

–      Power and Control


–      Scientists Have Found a Strong Link Between a Terrible Childhood And Being Intensely Creative

–      10 Warning Signs Of Gaslighting To Never Ignore

–      Redress: the setting right of that which is morally wrong

–      Updated understanding : CSA

–      How to Deal With Dysregulation

–      How Toxic Families Choose a Child to Scapegoat

–      Convicted child sex offender and former headmaster Stephen McLaughlin implicated in string of allegations spanning decades, police files reveal

–      Take Your Power Back

–      Offending Institution: St Vincent’s Orphanage, Clontarf 

–      Sons of Narcissistic Mothers (SoNM) – a life of struggle and pain


© and ™ Tony Anstatt. ABN 2voices: ‭37522760054‬.


Recognizing Child Abuse: What Parents Should Know

SIGNS OF EMOTIONAL MALTREATMENT

Consider the possibility of emotional maltreatment when the child:

  • ďťżďťżShows extremes in behavior, such as overly compliant or demanding behavior, extreme passivity or aggression;
  • ďťżďťżIs either inappropriately adult (parenting other children, for example) or inappropriately infantile (frequently rocking or head-banging, for example);
  • ďťżďťżIs delayed in physical or emotional development;
  • ďťżďťżHas attempted suicide; or
  • ďťżďťżReports a lack of attachment to the parent.

Consider the possibility of emotional maltreatment when the parent or other adult caregiver:

  • • Constantly blames, belittles, or berates the child;
    • Is unconcerned about the child and refuses to consider offers of help for the child’s
    school problems; or
  • • Overtly rejects the child.

RETRIEVED http://preventchildabuse.org/images/docs/recognizingchildabuse-whatparentsshouldknow.pdf


Refund of Fees

Amongst the growing amount of public acknowledgment, that ‘those foreign cases of #childabuse’ are in fact happening within their own neighbourhood, at their own school, or ‘worst still’ to their own children – it’s understandable that some parent’s concerns won’t be for that safety of their own victimised child, but for themselves to be able to reclaim “wasted monies”. As we now live in a consumerist society, occasionally we hear of broken families, where their sole-concern is in filling their own hip pockets with some of that 💰, as fractures often occur in these horse-or-cart structures. (Experienced Satire)

As examples of some Private/Elite schools in Brisbane who’ve offered out some damages-compensation-(not hush money), here are some examples + links:

Header of CARC | Schools https://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/schools

As these were just a handful of examples of how a church-founded country of Australia, can be dealing with immersed control of a tax-free body, whilst still battling for equal rights of colonial-Indigenous after-effects – there are many more layers to unpack!

Twelve Books at Herculaneum that could Change History (3 of 3)

Here’s the remainder of Richard Carrier’s Twelve Books at Herculaneum (nearby Pompeii), that is changing the history our world’s been tricked into thinking. In his own recent words “There is a fabulous ancient treasure still buried at Herculaneum in the Bay of Naples.” continued on to explain much of it has been covered by Mount Vesuvius volcanic ash, since 79ad. Various other documentaries have been made, yet Italian Government restrict further works to be performed, for fear of safety/destruction/landslides.

7. Ptolemaïs of Cyrene’s Two Treatises on Science

Ptolemais of Cyrene was in her own day a renowned scientist and expert in acoustics, harmonics, and music theory, sometime near the turn of the era. Authors who quote her treatise on that subject, Pythagorean Principles of Music, consistently regard it as renowned and authoritative. That makes this a known important-yet-lost work of the only known female research scientist in the Hellenistic era. That alone would make it a prize worth rescuing and having. But what we also know is that in her highly respected treatise on harmonics she sought to bring disparate doctrines into a single unified science, and she actually wrote another treatise generalizing that method to all the sciences—arguing the importance of combining empirical with rational methodology, rather than treating them as at odds or as different inquiries—an achievement that was influential not just in her own field, but in others. Eclecticism (the opposite of dogmatism) and unification (combining the best of different theorists and methodologies and scrapping the worst) begin to appear in all extant scientists after her date, making hers possibly a major contribution to the modernization of science. 

Again there is no telling what else she may have done. But these two works alone suggest a trend seen also in Galen a century or two later in the life sciences: seeking to unify a scientific field’s disparate theories and ideas, and establish the correct methods for pursuing it. We see evidence of this (merging atomism with Aristotelianism, for example; likewise empiricism and rationalism, experimental and theoretical science, mathematics and table-top instruments, and the like) in Ptolemy and Hero as well, bringing it into the fields of astronomy and the rest of physics. See my discussion of all these points in The Scientist in the Early Roman Empire. Given the Herculaneum magnate’s clear and deep interest in matters of science, logic, and mathematics (from his shelf full of books on the subject), and PtolemaĂŻs’s works’ clear and influential fame across the sciences, I think there are reasonable odds we can find it there, making hers the first extant scientific study published by a woman.

8. Pamphila’s Historical Notes or Agrippina’s Memoirs

Speaking of women as authors, there were many in antiquity, yet almost none preserved by patriarchal Christians in the Middle Ages. But two come particularly to mind whose lost books we would very much like to recover: Pamphila of Epidaurus wrote thirty-three volumes of Historical Notes on events up to her own time, which was around 60 A.D. So once again, contemporary accounts of events right during the dawn of Christianity. She wrote several other works (on famous women; on sex; and various miscellanies and epitomes). But having the first known female historian’s treatise on history would be a great find. More so as she was probably also Black—and thus would the be among the first extant Black historians (since sources describe her as Egyptian by descent, and not merely a Greek from Egypt); though she wouldn’t be the first altogether (earlier Africans we know wrote books; Juba, for example). 

Given the wide use later historians made of Pamphila’s Notes, and her just having published it not two decades before, it bears a reasonable probability our Herculaneum collector would have had a copy. There are other famous works from women we would like to have, such as Leontion’s treatise Against Theophrastus, which could be the first feminist treatise ever written. Given that she was a famous Epicurean philosopher—indeed, she was a student of Epicurus himself, and companion of Metrodorus, whose books were in the Herculaneum cache—someone, in fact, even Cicero had read and also assumed his readers would be well familiar with, and given that our Herculaneum collector was fond of works from Epicureans, it follows that her book, too, stands a reasonable chance of being there. 

Another likely find in this category:

The memoirs of Julia Agrippina (Nero’s mother, Caligula’s sister, and Claudius’s wife), which Tacitus employed as a source. She was assassinated by Nero in 59, too early to report on events of 64, but her work must have covered events up to at least 54 (Nero’s accession). She was born in 15, and her close position to Caligula and Claudius makes it reasonable to expect she might have mentioned Christianity if it were at all significant (e.g. if the Chrestus event under Claudius really did have anything to do with Christ).]OHJ, P. 295

Agrippina was a famous and important personage of the time, and it was particularly popular to spite Nero in the years after his death by supporting causes and authors he opposed. Agrippina’s Memoirs thus also stands a reasonable chance of being found at Herculaneum.

9. Petronius’s Satyricon or Against Nero

Petronius is renowned for being a prominent member of the senate and imperial court of Nero. The latter forced him to commit suicide in 66 A.D. yet he composed and published a damning treatise against Nero in revenge before completing the deed, which was referenced by other authors like Tacitus. This could hardly omit reflection on Nero’s murders of scapegoats for the burning of Rome—and thus revealing whether indeed it was any such group as the Christians, as the text of Tacitus now says. Petronius is also regarded as the author of the infamous Satyricon, which bears eerie similarities to stories in the New Testament, and whose date and authorship has been importantly challenged, which dispute really needs a resolution, because it affects a great deal about how we see what the Gospel authors are doing (see my discussion in Robyn Faith Walsh and the Gospels as Literature). Either of these would therefore be an important find. And as they fall into the category of recently popular “rage lit” against Nero, in Latin, and composed by a nearby notable, there’s a reasonable chance either could be at Herculaneum.

Important Writers Likely to Be Found There

After those nine or so titles of particular interest and likelihood, there are also many then-famous writers who wrote numerous books on many subjects, any of which would be a prize to recover. I’ll just name the top three in my areas of interest…

10. Agathinus

Agathinus was one of the most important medical theorists in the 1st century A.D. He might post-date Herculaneum or pre-date it. But he is of considerable historical significance as a Stoic who nevertheless established an “eclectic” medical sect called the Episynthetics, which specifically rejected the splitting of medical theory into sects and sought unification of theories under a common empirical regime (so, possibly another scientist influenced by PtolemaĂŻs). Which is important to the history of science because this sectarianism had become excessive over the preceding century, reminiscent of the sectarian divisions within 20th century psychology, and it is notable that deliberate efforts were beginning under the Romans to end this. Indeed Agathinus’s efforts would later inspire Galen.

Agathinus wrote on numerous medical subjects, but most significantly including an empirical treatise on the dosage requirements of the poison hellebore, employed as an emetic (to induce vomiting) or (we also know) commonly as an abortifacient. Scholars argue his treatise was based on (and thus reported) his own dosage experiments performed on animals to tailor dose to body mass. This would reflect possibly the first controlled medical study; as well as the first formal medical study of chemical abortion and birth control. And the Herculaneum collector could have this, or other works of Agathinus, owing to his considerable fame and importance in that very century.

11. Posidonius

Posidonius was literally the greatest scientist of his century (the 1st century B.C.), with extraordinary fame and renown, yet nothing he wrote survives. As I wrote in Scientist:

Posidonius even built a machine that replicated the movement of the seven known planets. Cicero’s description of this device certifies it was a proper orrery (a luniplanetary armillary sphere)—a machine that represents the solar system in three dimensions, in rings that can be rotated to reproduce the actual relative motion and position of the seven planets over time. This was probably a significant improvement on a similar machine Archimedes had built over a century before; Posidonius would have known of important corrections and improvements to planetary theory developed after him. … 

It is also possible Posidonius constructed a dial computer, a kind of astronomical clock, which indicates planetary positions (and even lunar phases and other data) two-dimensionally, through a gear-driven dial readout [such as we actually found; in fact, its date and location are apposite enough that that might even be his; or one he built for a client].SCIENTIST, PP. 145-47

Overall, Posidonius wrote over thirty books on countless philosophical and scientific subjects, including books on astronomy, meteorology and climatology, earthquakes and lightning, seismology and volcanology, mathematics, geography, oceanography, zoology, botany, psychology, anthropology, ethnology and history, and beyond. He notably wrote up a study on flammable minerals (including varieties of petroleum and coal). He famously tried calculating the size of the Earth by a novel method—though erred, and his error was picked up by Ptolemy and eventually Christopher Columbus; though unlike Columbus, Ptolemy recognized its inaccuracy and developed the system of locating positions on Earth by degrees of latitude and longitude to overcome that problem. 

Posidonius also had some knowledge of lenses and magnification and may have begun research on the subject; but either way, he certainly had knowledge of lenses that magnify through refraction (as evinced in Strabo, Geography 3.1.5; Cleomedes, On the Heavens 2.6; Sextus Empiricus, Against the Professors 5.82; cf. Seneca, Natural Questions 1.6.5–7). Such work would bear comparison with later research by Ptolemy on exactly the same subject (Scientist, index, “lenses”). No scientific treatise on the subject survives from antiquity, although missing sections of Ptolemy’s Optics appear to have included it, and there is ample evidence its study predated Ptolemy (Ibid.). 

Given his fame and the importance of his books, recognized even in his own day, the probability is quite high that there will be works of Posidonius at Herculaneum. Any of them would be valuable to recover; but especially any that might have discussed the science of magnifying lenses, or petroleum or coal, or the sizes and distances of the planets.

12. Seleucus of Seleucia

Finally, of superlative importance would be recovering any of the lost works of the astronomer Seleucus, who lived in the 2nd century B.C. and was the student of Aristarchus—and actually the most famous heliocentrist in antiquity. We now enfame Aristarchus for being the first known heliocentrist, all but having forgotten Seleucus. But Plutarch, who read their works, says Aristarchus proposed heliocentrism as “only a hypothesis” but that Seleucus “demonstrated it” (Platonic Questions 8.1 = Moralia 1006c). That would actually make his work on the subject the more important; and ancient readers knew it. Plutarch does not say how Seleucus proved heliocentrism—indicating Plutarch could trust any reader already knew, which entails a rather considerable renown for the man and his achievement. We also know from elsewhere that Seleucus was famous for discovering lunisolar tide theory, recognizing that a form of universal gravitation from sun, moon, and Earth explains and predicts the behavior of ocean tides (e.g. Pliny the Elder, Natural History 2.99.212–218 and 2.102.221; Cicero, On Divination 2.34 and On the Nature of the Gods 2.7.15–16; Seneca, On Providence 1.4; Cleomedes, On the Heavens 156; Ptolemy, Tetrabiblos 1.2.3–6; Strabo, Geography 3.5.8 and 1.1.8–12). 

We might infer Seleucus put this together as an explanation of a heliocentric solar system as well; certainly, Galileo thought so (see Galileo’s Goofs: Lessons We Can Learn from Failure). And Plutarch hints as much (see Ancient Theories of Gravity: What Was Lost?). And regardless, many Roman authors were quite familiar with his work. Direct and indirect attestations range from Seneca’s Natural Questions (which does not survive whole and the lost portions could indeed be at Herculaneum as well) to Plutarch’s On the Face in the Moon. Given that even Seneca, a major Latin author from Rome, includes mention of heliocentrism and debates surrounding it just a couple decades before the destruction of Herculaneum, and given how readily ancient authors knew Seleucus’s work and assumed everyone else did, it seems reasonable to expect we could find Seleucus’s “proof” of heliocentrism at Herculaneum, or at least his treatise on lunisolar tide theory or universal gravitation, which would be extraordinary.

And Much More

As I said, there could be other books by these authors, and so many authors and books we don’t even have a surviving mention of. Recovering their lost names and works for posterity would be an inestimable honor to them and an achievement for humanity. But there will also be works there of greater magnitude. 

This includes countless scientific treatises. Almost all of that genre was destroyed by medieval Christians—more out of mere disinterest than hostility, but sometimes, yes, hostility (I document in Ch. 5 of Scientist that even the liberal-minded Origen commanded the shunning, and thus discarding, of all scientific and philosophical works by ancient atomists, and even Aristotelians, which will have encompassed the majority of ancient science). Just one subdivision of that subject, life and mineral sciences, illustrates the point (see my article The Sociology of Ancient Scientists Cannot Be Based on Medieval Source Selection); likewise gravitation and dynamics (see Ancient Theories of Gravity: What Was Lost?); and more. In Scientist I mention a great deal else, from lost treatises on combinatorics and permutation theory, to studies of air pressure and magnetism. Any of this, too, could be there.

This also includes countless historical treatises. Besides the many examples I already mentioned, there are more. As I wrote in Historicity:

Marcus Velleius Paterculus sketched a history of the Romans from their mythic past up to the year 29 [A.D.] (of which parts survive) and [the native African] King Juba of Mauretania did the same up to around the year 20 (none of which survives) … [Likewise] Marcus Servilius Nonianus, who we know wrote a dedicated history of the first century up to at least the year 41 [and he wrote it in the late 50s]. … [And] Cluvius Rufus, ex-consul and Nero’s personal herald in the mid-first century, having served in the Senate since the 30s, wrote a detailed history of events during the reign of Nero, beginning with the reign of Caligula in the year 37, and continuing past Nero up to the reign of Otho in the year 69. This surely would have discussed Nero’s persecution of Christians in 64, which would have required a digression on Jesus and Christianity, which in turn would likely touch on the relevant details of the appellate case of Paul before Nero in 62 (if that even happened) and what was claimed in that case, and how it degenerated into the execution of scores if not hundreds of Christians just a couple years later for the crime of burning the city of Rome, surely the single most famous event of that or any adjacent year … [Likewise] Fabius Rusticus wrote a history during Nero’s reign that covered events up to his own time, which may have gotten as far as his death or at least the persecution [of Christians], and at any rate covered events under Augustus and Tiberius (and Claudius) and thus would very likely have noticed Christianity if it was notable at all. 

And that’s just of lost histories we know about, because someone else mentions them. So whether your jam is science or history (or any other subject of poetry or prose), you, too, should want Herculaneum to finally be excavated, to rescue this treasure hoard unparalleled in human value.

(Continued on from 1 of 2 and 2 of 3)


About The Author

Richard Carrier is the author of many books and numerous articles online and in print. His avid readers span the world from Hong Kong to Poland. With a Ph.D. in ancient history from Columbia University, he specializes in the modern philosophy of naturalism and humanism, and the origins of Christianity and the intellectual history of Greece and Rome, with particular expertise in ancient philosophy, science and technology. He is also a noted defender of scientific and moral realism, Bayesian reasoning, and historical methods.


RETRIEVED Carrier, R. (2023). Twelve Books at Herculaneum That Could Change History. Retrieved via www.richardcarrier.info/archives/23380.